DR: Fred, thanks for taking the time to talk to the Sad Men website. As readers of the book will know, you were the creative director who eventually gave me my first job, after initially rejecting me in favour of someone else. Obviously, as a mature adult I am now over the pain and anguish caused by this, BUT HOW COULD YOU CHOOSE SOMEONE ELSE OVER ME?
FS: Essentially it was because your opponent deposited a large sum of money in my Swiss bank account. Also I had some former contacts in the intelligence services do a background check on you. Do you really want me to reveal what they found?
DR: Moving on to the Lada “Tough Cars, Tame Prices” campaign which features in the early chapters. I was impressed at the time with the sheer glamour of you jetting off to Kenya to shoot the TV advert. The only slightly puzzling aspect was your decision to include polar bears in it. You don’t find them in Kenyan jungles, do you?
FS: Yeah, I had to fire the fact-checker on that one. Slipped right by me.
DR: When I finally became a creative director, the best part of the job was being able to take all the interesting briefs that came in and getting other people to do all the rubbish jobs. What did you enjoy most about it?
FS: Taking all the interesting briefs that came in and getting others to do all the rubbish jobs. Oh, and my office was better and I got to drive a Ferrari until we won the Porsche account.
DR: Not a lot of people know this, but as well as playing a leading part in my advertising life, you also played a leading part in the 1979 film Yanks, directed by John Schlesinger. How did this come about?
FS: I was going through a mid-career crisis and acting just seemed the next natural step. So when the opportunity to audition arose, I couldn’t pass it up. Richard (Gere) sends his love by the way.
DR: Can you share any memories you have of working with Dave Roberts? Preferably ones that make me look good.
FS: Well on the few occasions you weren’t doing your Howard Hughes thing and managed to show up for work, I was mightily impressed by your output. Particularly for the eight page campaign for the incontinence chairs. Outstanding.
DR: Finally, are there any particularly terrible ads that you remember from your days in Leeds? Please do not include any of mine, which were all brilliant.
FS: Absolutely. It was a commercial for a particularly dreadful furniture outlet and featured a sequin besuited singer/pianist doing a re-lyriced pastiche of a Gilbert O’Sullivan song ‘Get Down’. Oh, wait a minute… I wrote that .